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Australia's Tasmanian Tiger May Live Again
>       -- By Jane Nelson
>
 CANBERRA (Reuters) - Australia's Tasmanian Tiger, a marsupial wolf
believed to be extinct, may be reborn in only a few years with geneticists cloning it from perfectly preserved baby "tigers" kept in museums.
 Australian Museum director Mike Archer said the discovery of a baby
 "tiger" preserved in a jar in his Sydney museum had encouraged him over
 the past year to investigate the possibility of bringing the wolf back to
 life using its DNA.

 His Jurassic Park-style plan was reinforced Thursday when six other baby
 Tasmanian Tigers, also known as the thylacine, were revealed in other
 museums, meaning a greater gene pool could be used and boosting the
 animal's chances of future survival.

 "I've found out that there's a total of seven thylacines around the world,
 so this isn't the only one -- there's a population waiting to be
 kick-started," Archer told Reuters.

 "There's been several geneticists who are now saying it's not a joke, it's
 not silly, it could be done."

 La Trobe University's senior lecturer in genetics, Mike Westerman, said
 it was possible the thylacine could be cloned in the "not-too-distant
 future" if the funds were available. Archer said he was prepared to hand
 the baby "tiger" over to anyone with a serious cloning proposal.

 Sydney's pouch-young thylacine was plonked into its jar in 1866 and was
 preserved in alcohol rather than formalin, which would have destroyed its
DNA.

 There were thylacines stored in alcohol in the British Museum in London
 and in American museums as well as several in a museum in Australia's
 island state, Tasmania.

 Archer said he had previously thought it feasible that Tasmanian Tigers,
 which grew to about two meters (six feet) long including a long rigid
 tail, and have tapering stripes on their bodies, could be sold as pets
 within 50 years.

 But some geneticists had suggested it may happen in only a few years.
 "The important thing is it's not a question of if, it's a question of
 when," he said.

 Australia had a moral duty to revive the Tasmanian Tiger, which looked
 similar to a wild dog, after early British settlers in Tasmania
 mercilessly hunted it down to stop it killing flocks of sheep, he said.

 The last known Tasmanian Tiger was captured in 1933 and died in a zoo in
 the Tasmanian capital of Hobart in 1936. There have been numerous reported
 sightings of apparent thylacines since then in both Tasmania and on the
 mainland, but no evidence has ever been found to prove they still existed.

 Thylacines once roamed the Australian mainland and New Guinea but are
 thought to have lost out in competition with the wild dogs introduced by
 man into both places thousands of years ago and to have become extinct
 long before white settlement.

DOGS "IN" ELK

Recent thread in rec.pets...
> -------------------------------------------
>
> Anne V - 01:01pm Sep 9, 1999 PDT (# 1318 of 1332)
 Okay - I know how to take meat away from a dog. How do I take a dog away
 from meat? This is not, unfortunately, a joke.
>
> AmyC - 01:02pm Sep 9, 1999 PDT (# 1319 of 1332)
 Um, can you give us a few more specifics here?
>
> Anne V - 01:12pm Sep 9, 1999 PDT (# 1320 of 1332)
 They're inside of it. They crawled inside, and now I have a giant
 incredibly heavy piece of carcass in my yard, with 2 dogs inside of it,
 and they are NOT getting bored of it and coming out. One of them is
 snoring. I have company arriving in three hours, and my current plan is
 to 1. put up a tent over said carcass and 2. hang thousands of fly strips
 inside it. This has been going on since about 6:40 this morning.
>
> AmyC - 01:19pm Sep 9, 1999 PDT (# 1321 of 1332)
 Oh. My. God. What sort of carcass is big enough to hold a couple of dogs
 inside? Given the situation, I'm afraid you're not going to be create
 enough of a diversion to get the dogs out of the carrion, unless they like
 greeting company as much as they like rolling around in dead stuff. Which
 seems unlikely. Can you turn a hose on the festivities?
>
> Ase Innes-Ker - 01:31pm Sep 9, 1999 PDT (# 1322 of 1332)
 I'm sorry Anne. I know this is a problem (and it would have driven me
 crazy), but it is also incredibly funny.
>
 Anne V - 01:31pm Sep 9, 1999 PDT (# 1323 of 1332)
 Elk. Elk are very big this year, because of the rain and good grazing and
 so forth. They aren't rolling. They are alternately napping and eating.
 They each have a ribcage. Other dogs are working on them from the outside.
 It's all way too primal in my yard right now. We tried the hose trick. At
 someone elses house, which is where they climbed in and began to refuse
 to come out. Many hours ago. I think that the hose mostly helps keep them
 cool and dislodges little moist snacks for them. hose failed. My new hope
 is that if they all continue to eat at this rate, they will be finished
 before the houseguests arrive. The very urban houseguests. Oh, ghod - I
 know it's funny. It's appalling, and funny, and completely entirely
 representative of life with dogs.
>
> Kristen R. - 01:37pm Sep 9, 1999 PDT (# 1324 of 1332)
> I'm so glad I read this thread, dogless as I am. Dogs in elk. Dogs in elk.
>
> Anne V - 01:41pm Sep 9, 1999 PDT (# 1325 of 1332)
> It's like that childrens book out there - dogs in elk, dogs on elk, dogs
> around elk, dogs outside elk. And there is some elk inside of, as well as
> on, each dog at this point.
>
> Elizabeth K - 01:57pm Sep 9, 1999 PDT (# 1328 of 1333)
> Anne, aren't you in Arizona or Nevada? There are elk there? I'm so
> confused!We definately need to see pics of Gus Pong and Jake in the elk
> carcass.
>
> Anne V - 02:03pm Sep 9, 1999 PDT (# 1329 of 1333)
> I am in New Mexico, but there are elk in both arizona and nevada, yes.
> There are elk all over the damn place. They don't look out very often. If
> you stand the ribcage on end they scramble to the top and look out, all
> red. Otherwise, you kinda have to get in there a little bit yourself to
> really see them. So I think there will not be pictures.
>
> CoseyMo - 02:06pm Sep 9, 1999 PDT (# 1330 of 1333)
> "all red;" I'm not sure the deeper horror of all this was fully borne in
> upon me till I saw that little phrase.
>
> Anne V - 02:10pm Sep 9, 1999 PDT (# 1331 of 1333)
> Well, you know, the Basenji (that would be Jake) is a desert dog,
> naturally, and infamous for it's aversion to water. And then, Gus Pong
> (who is coming to us, live, unamplified and with a terrific reverb which
> is making me a little dizzy) really doesn't mind water, but hates to be
> cold.  Or soapy. And both of them can really run. Sprints of up to 35 mph
> have been clocked. So. If ever they come out, catching them and returning
> them to a condition where they can be considered house pets is not going
> to be, shall we say, pleasant.
>
> CoseyMo - 02:15pm Sep 9, 1999 PDT (# 1332 of 1333)
> What if you stand the ribcage on end, wait for them to look out, grab them
> when they do and pull?
>
> Anne V - 02:18pm Sep 9, 1999 PDT (# 1333 of 1333)
> They wedge their toes between the ribs. And scream. We tried that before
> we brought the elk home from the mountain with dogs inside. Jake nearly
> took my friends arm off. He's already short a toe, so he cherishes the 15
> that remain.
>
> Linda Hewitt - 02:30pm Sep 9, 1999 PDT (# 1336 of 1356)
> Have you thought about calling your friendly vet and paying him to come
> pick up the dogs, elk and letting the dogs stay at the vets overnight. If
> anyone would know what to do, it would be your vet. It might cost some
> money, but it would solve the immediate crisis. Keep us posted.
>
> ChristiPeters - 02:37pm Sep 9, 1999 PDT (# 1337 of 1356)
> Yikes! My sympathy! When I lived in New Mexico, my best friend's dog (the
> escape artist) was  continually bringing home road kill. When there was no
> road kill convenient, he would visit the neighbor's house. Said neighbor
> slaughtered his own beef. The dog found all kinds of impossibly gross toys
> in the neighbor's trash pit. I have always had medium to large dogs. The
> smallest dog I ever had was a mutt from the SPCA who matured out at just
> above knee high and about 55 pounds. Our current dog (daughter's choice)
> is
> a Pomeranian. A very small Pomeranian. She's 8 months old now and not
> quite
> 4 pounds. I'm afraid I'll break her.
>
> Lori Shiraishi - 02:38pm Sep 9, 1999 PDT (# 1338 of 1356)
> Bet you could fit a whole lot of Pomeranians in that there elk carcass!
> Anne - my condolences on what must be a unbelievable situation!
>
> Anne V - 02:44pm Sep 9, 1999 PDT (# 1339 of 1356)
> I did call my vet. He laughed until he was gagging and breathless. He says
> a lot of things, which can be summed as *what did you expect?* and *no,
> there is no such thing as too much elk meat for a dog.* He is planning to
> stop over and take a look on his way home. Thanks, Lori. I am almost
> surrendered to the absurdity of it.
>
> Lori Shiraishi - 02:49pm Sep 9, 1999 PDT (# 1340 of 1356)
> "He is planning to stop over and take a look on his way home." So he can
> fall down laughing in person?
>
> Anne V - 02:50pm Sep 9, 1999 PDT (# 1341 of 1356)
> Basically, yeah. That would be about it.
>
> AmyC - 02:56pm Sep 9, 1999 PDT (# 1342 of 1356)
> >no, there is no such thing as too much elk meat for a dog."
> Oh, sweet lord, Anne. You have my deepest sympathies in this, perhaps the
> most peculiar of the Gus Pong Adventures. You are truly a woman of
> superhuman patience. wait -- you carried the carcass down from the
> mountains with the dogs inside?
>
> Anne V - 02:59pm Sep 9, 1999 PDT (# 1343 of 1356)
> >the carcass down from the mountains with the dogs inside?
> no, well, sort of. My part in the whole thing was to get really stressed
> about a meeting that I had to go to, and say *yeah, ok, whatever* when it
> was suggested that the ribcages, since we couldn't get the dogs out of
> them
> and the dogs couldn't be left there, be brought to my house. Because, you
> know - I just thought they would get bored of it sooner or later. But it
> appears to be later, in the misty uncertain future, that they will get
> bored. Now, they are still interested. And very loud, one singing, one
> snoring.
>
> Lori Shiraishi - 03:04pm Sep 9, 1999 PDT (# 1344 of 1356)
> >And very loud, one singing, one snoring.
> wow. I can't even begin to imagine the acoustics involved with singing
> from
> the inside of an elk.
>
> Anne V - 03:04pm Sep 9, 1999 PDT (# 1345 of 1356)
> reverb. lots and lots of reverb.
>
> Anne V - 03:15pm Sep 9, 1999 PDT (# 1347 of 1356)
> I'll tell you the thing that is causing me to lose it again and again, and
> then I have to go back outside and stay there for a while. After the
> meeting, I said to my (extraordinary) boss, *look, I've gotta go home for
> the rest of the day, I think. Jake and Gus Pong are inside some elk
> ribcages, and my dad is coming tonight, so I've got to get them out
> somehow.* And he said, pale and huge-eyed, *Annie, how did you explain the
> elk to the clients?* The poor, poor man thought I had the carcasses
> brought
> to work with me. For some reason, I find this deeply funny.
>
> (weekend pause)
>
> Anne V - 08:37am Sep 13, 1999 PDT (# 1395 of 1405)
> So what we did was put the ribcages (containing dogs) on tarps and drag
> them around to the side yard, where I figured they would at least be
> harder
> to see, and then opened my bedroom window so that the dogs could let me
> know when they were ready to be plunged into a de-elking solution and let
> in the house. Then I went to the airport. Came home, no visible elk, no
> visible dogs. Peeked around the shrubs, and there they were, still in the
> elk. By this time, they had gnawed out some little portholes between some
> of the ribs, and you got the occasional very frightening limpse of
> something moving around in there if you watched long enough. After a lot
> of
> agonizing, I went to bed. I closed the back door, made sure my window was
> open, talked to the dogs out of it until I as sure they knew it was open,
> and then I fell asleep.
>
> Sometimes, sleep is a mistake, no matter how tired you are. And especially
> if you are very very tired, and some of your dogs are outside, inside some
> elks. Because when you are that tired, you sleep through bumping kind of
> noises, or you kind of think that it's just the house guests. It was't the
> house guests. It was my dogs, having an attack of teamwork unprecedented
> in
> our domestic history. When I finally woke all the way up, it was to a
> horrible vision. Somehow, 3 dogs with a combined weight of about 90
> pounds,
> managed to hoist one of the ribcages (the meatier one, of course) up 3
> feet
> to rest on top of the swamp cooler outside the window, and push out the
> screen. What woke me was Gus Pong, howling in frustration from inside the
> ribcage, very close to my head, combined with feverish little grunts from
> Jake, who was standing on the nightstand, bracing himself against the
> curtains with remarkably bloody little feet.
>
> Here are some things I have learned, this Rosh Hashanah weekend:
> 1. almond milk removes elk blood from curtains and pillowcases,
> 2. We can all exercise superhuman strength when it comes to getting elk
> carcasses out of our yard,
> 3. The sight of elk ribcages hurtling over the fence really frightens the
> nice deputy sheriff who lives across the street, and
> 4. the dogs can pop the screens out of the windows, without damaging them,
> from either side.
>
> Anne V - 09:58am Sep 13, 1999 PDT (# 1401 of 1405)
> What I am is really grateful that they didn't actually get the damn thing
> in the window, which is clearly the direction they were going in. And that
> the nice deputy didn't arrest me for terrifying her with elk parts before
> dawn.
>
> AmyC - 09:59am Sep 13, 1999 PDT (# 1402 of 1405)
> Imagine waking up with a gnawed elk carcass in your bed, like a real-life
> "Godfather" with an all-dog cast.
>
> Anne V - 10:01am Sep 13, 1999 PDT (# 1403 of 1405)
> There is not enough almond milk in the world to solve an event of that
> kind.
 

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